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Save $300 on telephone calls (more/less depending on your current plan & usage)

Posted By: ninkasi, posted 2010/03/19 13:58
Over two years ago information about the Whirlpool plans was put onto BuckScoop. I just thought it was time to update that info as there have been some changes/improvements! MynetFone plans start from $0.00 (yep, nothing) upwards, and call rates are very competitive on all the plans. If you don't have VoIP equipment, you can get a basic device like the Mitron VoIP adapter delivered for $19.95 plus $10 delivery with $10 credit (so effective cost there is $19.95).

I am on the NeoSaver plan that for $4.95 per month provides pretty impressive value - it includes a DID (standard Australia telephone number anyone can call), $0.10 untimed calls to anywhere in Australia and many countries overseas (ie call someone in the USA and speak to them for hours and it just costs you ten cents), $0.12 per minute calls to mobiles charged per second and with no flag fall. The $4.95 includes $6 worth of calls (60*$0.10), the DID, and 20 SMS messages via their web portal.

Personally we have a standard Optus land line service, but even though we don't make many calls I've calculated that over the past couple of years we save between $25 to $30 per month by using MynetFone. Our biggest saving is through calls to mobiles. On a normal Optus plan calls to mobiles cost $0.40 per 30 seconds with a $0.35 flag fall. So a five minute call to a mobile from our landline costs $4.35 - the same call via MynetFone costs us $0.60. Make ten calls to mobiles over the course of a month, averaging 5 minutes each call, then that's $43.50 on Optus and $6.00 on MynetFone. So that's easily saved more than $30 even after taking away the $4.95 for the plan.

If you make calls overseas, with calls to most popular countries costing $0.10 for as long as you want - then the savings would be enormous. Voice quality and reliability have been equivalent (and sometimes better) than a normal landline.

Of course the amount you might save will depend on your circumstances - you might not have broadband, or just use a mobile with so much "included calls" that there's little incentive to use a landline, but definitely worth checking out otherwise and it costs little or even nothing to try. I'd also note that this makes for an incredibly easy and cheap way of setting up an extra telephone line for the kids or fax machine (no "I'll hang up now so you can fax me").

FYI we use an unlocked Linksys SP3102 (so people can call us on either the VoIP or standard number and it all goes through the the normal 'phone rather than using two different 'phones) and have setup a dial plan so interstate/international/mobile calls go via MynetFone and the rest go through the Optus landline. Probably more complicated than necessary, but then again I'm a geek and I recovered the additional cost of the hardware within 3 months... ;-)
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  • ninkasi2010/03/19 14:12:38
    I would note that you can do some tricky things with a VoIP service. For example:

    [LIST]
    [*]if you have an iPhone or current Ipod touch you can use the likes of Fring to make/receive calls via the service from a WiFi hot spot without eating into your 'phone plan

    [*]if you have family interstate, you can setup a voip number with a local (to them) number they can dial and it cost them a local call ie you live in Melb, they live in Perth, so you setup a VoIP number with a Perth DID that they can call.

    [*]if you move, your number moves with you - even if you move overseas
    [/LIST]

    In addition you can use their voicemail system so if you're not home, people leave you a message and their message can be emailed to you. You can also get a copy of their "softfone" (or use any other VoIP software) and make calls with that from your computer....
  • melscott282010/03/19 15:13:32
    i use gotalks voip. Its 14.95 a month as i have other services with them but its $19.95 by itself. You get 600 free local or national calls, 100 free mobile calls and cheap international. I have been on the plan for 3 months and make so many mobile calls but i havnt been charge a cent for them. Hours of mobile call a month - I LOVE IT.
  • Donkey2010/03/19 18:13:38
    There is something very nice about making calls to anywhere for $0 when telcos are still charging stupid money.

    Out of interest - have either of you looked at what sort of data consumption your VOIP calls use? I used to watch skype when I was using it on a pay as you go dongle and it would literally eat data.
  • melscott282010/03/19 18:48:51
    Donkey
    There is something very nice about making calls to anywhere for $0 when telcos are still charging stupid money.

    Out of interest - have either of you looked at what sort of data consumption your VOIP calls use? I used to watch skype when I was using it on a pay as you go dongle and it would literally eat data.


    i have absolutley no idea how much it uses. Im on a plan with 20gb and ive never got close to using that. I will ask my prtner how much it uses, hes in IT so hed better know.
  • ninkasi2010/03/19 20:11:33
    Donkey
    There is something very nice about making calls to anywhere for $0 when telcos are still charging stupid money.

    Out of interest - have either of you looked at what sort of data consumption your VOIP calls use? I used to watch skype when I was using it on a pay as you go dongle and it would literally eat data.


    Not a huge amount - certainly can be more efficient than Skype. Depending on the codec being used eg G729a (8 Kbps) would use 4MB per hour and the better quality G711 (64 Kbps - equivalent to a standard Skype audio call) around the 30MB per hour. So I could understand how running Skype on a 3G connection could eat into available data, but way less impact if you switched to something like G729a, and of course you wouldn't notice either on a standard broadband connection.
  • ninkasi2010/03/19 20:38:46
    melscott28
    You get 600 free local or national calls, 100 free mobile calls


    That is pretty dang good if the service is reliable and you are actually making a lot of calls. We'd probably spend less than $10 each month on calls via VoIP so the extra calls/$14.95 would be wasted on us. Checking out VoIP plans/rates can be addictive once you get sucked in. Depending on the TA you have you can setup quite complex dial plans - for example using gotalk for local calls, mynetfone for mobile calls (12 cents/minute versus gotalk 24.9/minute) and Pennytel for overseas calls (8 cents untimed). The big savings are generally made moving from the likes of Optus/Telstra to a VoIP provider though, rather than moving between VoIP providers.
  • melscott282010/03/19 20:49:12
    i have $94 a month plan with gotalk. That includes broadband 20gb, a home phone which i dont use but need for broadband in my area, voip with the calls and a free cordless phone that i use for voip, a voip box which i got instead of a modem that is usually included in the deal. So for $94 i get internet, phone and calls. I was paying $79 a month just for mobile so thats now on prepay and im happy with the voip for calls.
  • melscott282010/03/19 20:50:43
    [QUOTE=ninkasi] mynetfone for mobile calls (12 cents/minute versus gotalk 24.9/minute)

    Luckily with my plan i havnt paid for any mobile calls
  • ninkasi2010/03/19 22:22:04
    melscott28;109854
    [QUOTE=ninkasi] mynetfone for mobile calls (12 cents/minute versus gotalk 24.9/minute)

    Luckily with my plan i havnt paid for any mobile calls


    Hey - even if you did, it's still WAY better than the Optus 80 cents per minute with a 35 cent flagfall!
  • stevehl2010/03/19 22:45:01
    I have used Mynetfone for years, all my family (who live in different states) use it. Phone bill have been so low its embarassing ! Call to using Mynetfone mum - 0 cents, call to my brother - 0 cents... 0+0 = 0

    I installed a Mynetfone unit in USA for a friend. Australia Mynetfone to USA-based Mynetfone - call cost 0 cents...
  • ninkasi2010/03/19 22:57:28
    stevehl
    Phone bill have been so low its embarassing !


    I know.... I have to get on international teleconferences/meetings every now and then and I used to have to call my office and have them then re-route my call to the number in (say) the US. Or I could always use an AT&T calling card and spend a few minutes keying in numbers. Now it costs me the same to call my office as it does to call the USA and be on the conference for as long as I want/can stand. In fact if I use Pennytel to call overseas, then the $0.08 for that call costs less than calling my office via MynetFone ($0.10). It just makes me laugh, frankly.

    In addition, I love the fact that for $5 a year I have a dedicated fax machine number and line that - if I got it from Optus or Telstra - I would be lucky to get for less than $30 a month plus installation fee....
  • port2010/03/20 04:30:39
    ninkasi
    I know.... I have to get on international teleconferences/meetings every now and then and I used to have to call my office and have them then re-route my call to the number in (say) the US. Or I could always use an AT&T calling card and spend a few minutes keying in numbers. Now it costs me the same to call my office as it does to call the USA and be on the conference for as long as I want/can stand. In fact if I use Pennytel to call overseas, then the $0.08 for that call costs less than calling my office via MynetFone ($0.10). It just makes me laugh, frankly.

    In addition, I love the fact that for $5 a year I have a dedicated fax machine number and line that - if I got it from Optus or Telstra - I would be lucky to get for less than $30 a month plus installation fee....


    Even if you used distinctive ring/FaxStream it would still cost you $6/mth… which just goes to show how VoIP changes the game.

    ninkasi
    I would note that you can do some tricky things with a VoIP service. For example:

    [LIST]
    [*]if you have family interstate, you can setup a voip number with a local (to them) number they can dial and it cost them a local call ie you live in Melb, they live in Perth, so you setup a VoIP number with a Perth DID that they can call.
    [/LIST]



    A cople of the bigger VSP's also have shared access numbers, which can be a handy (and cheaper!) alternative to getting a DID for them to call you.
  • ninkasi2010/03/20 08:43:14
    port
    also have shared access numbers, which can be a handy (and cheaper!) alternative to getting a DID for them to call you.


    Good point. Also another feature is global access dial-in and call-back where you dial a number with any 'phone and can then make VoIP calls.....
  • ninkasi2010/03/21 00:30:30
    and to send sms messages from your pc, you can use the website or one of the many apps around (eg here), or for the linux geeks around here you can even do something like:

    [CODE]curl -c cookie.txt https://www.mynetfone.com.au/portal/sms/Authenticate.action?username=nnnnnnnn -d password=nnnnnnnn
    curl -b cookie.txt https://www.mynetfone.com.au/portal/sms/SendSms.action?to=04nnnnnnnn -d text='hi there'[/CODE]

    Cheers
  • lisss2010/03/21 00:42:34
    Heat and rep added. We don't use voip but after reading this I think we should look into it.
  • laml2010/03/21 12:27:51
    Great post! Thank you!!

    Question:
    I am currently using IINET for naked DSL. Could I also use pennytel voip?
    If yes how do I do this?

    cheers
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  • ninkasi2010/03/21 15:34:08
    laml
    Great post! Thank you!!

    Question:
    I am currently using IINET for naked DSL. Could I also use pennytel voip?
    If yes how do I do this?

    cheers


    Yes. All you need is a Terminal Adapter (TA) and a broadband connection and you should be able to use any voip service (pennytel, mynetfone, gotalk, whatever) or even iinet's own voip service.... or even a combination if that suits.

    Easiest for you would probably be iinet as you already use them. Otherwise, you can (for example) just get a preconfigured TA from the likes of MynetFone and follow the instructions on how to hook it up.

    Cheers
  • laml2010/03/21 23:42:38
    Thanks for that but sorry can you clarify.

    I currently use iinet naked dsl for internet and voip services through a Belkin Broadband Voice Modem/Router ? wireless 4 port
    model F1PI241EGau
    purchased from iinet.
    So I can add another voip service from another service provider either pennytel, gotalk etc to my modem/router? Do I still need this TA -Terminal Adapter?


    If yes, how do I go about setting it up? I have been reading up on some of this on the internet - do I need to set up asterisk?
    Any help would be very much appreciated.. sorry for sounding so confused.
    thanks in advance
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  • ninkasi2010/03/22 09:50:08
    laml
    can you clarify.

    I currently use iinet naked dsl for internet and voip services through a Belkin Broadband Voice Modem/Router – wireless 4 port
    model F1PI241EGau
    purchased from iinet.
    So I can add another voip service from another service provider either pennytel, gotalk etc to my modem/router? Do I still need this TA -Terminal Adapter?


    According to here your router could potentially support two different VoIP providers, but the firmware doesn't allow it. As such you could get a different router OR get another TA.

    laml
    do I need to set up asterisk?


    You could use Asterisk, but only if you need the extra features this can provide. Simplest would be to get a pre-configured TA (like the one from MynetFone in the link) and plug that into your switch, and a different 'phone or fax into the new TA that you can then use for other calls. Pennytel used to provide pre-configured devices but their "shop" seems closed at the moment. At *worst* you might need to have the TA configured to a different port [with MynetFone you log into the web porta, go into account/my voice service then select the device and go into advanced and change the setting that says something like 5060 or 5061 to something like 5062 or 5063] to avoid clashing with the iinet service, but other than that it should be pretty much plug & play.
  • ozpete2010/03/22 12:44:17
    lami

    Why get so complicated. If you say use the Mynetfone deal, you get the ATA included in the sign up. For $20 its not much to pay. Then you have both the iinet or the MNF service.

    I've been on the MNF Maxotel and Pennytel services, I like Maxotel, but MNF is the easiest to set up. Pennytel went thru some reliability issues and frankly the 8c vs 10c while cheaper wasn't worth it to me. But I dont make massive numbers of calls.
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 14:18:32
    ozpete
    lami

    Why get so complicated


    Agreed - I used to use Pennytel as well and they were the cheapest for o/seas calls, but also did have some reliability issues. This was some time ago, and they worked hard at resolving the issues, but I've stuck with Mynetfone since as the 2 cents savings per infrequent o/seas call really wasn't significant enough (for me) to bother.

    To try another VoIP provider out, I'd get the $19.95 preconfigured TA (which costs $10 for delivery but comes with $10 credit) from MynetFone (MNF) under the $0 Whirlpool plan and hook up a separate handset to that. It is locked to MNF, but (for me) my savings mean that cost is recovered very quickly.

    The only time it might get complicated is if you want to be able to use the one handset to make/receive calls, and you have a standard handset that can't support multiple lines. If so, then - assuming you currently use iinet to make all 'phone calls and you get included calls with them - you can always use iinet as if it's your current POTS (plain old telephone system). So you get something like an *unlocked* Linksys 3102 TA (you can get them around the $90 mark eg http://shop.ozcableguy.com/detail.asp?Product=SPA3102) and then (following instructions are specific to a 3102 (http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10027/index.html), but would be similar with other devices):

    [LIST=1]
    [*]Connect an ethernet cable from your existing switch to the ethernet port on "broadband" port on the 3102 (it has another ethernet port on the device that you can connect another device to if you want
    [*]Disconnect the cable currently running from the existing router to your handset, and plug that cable directly into the "FXO" port of the 3102
    [*]Connect the existing handset into the "FXS" (PSTN) port
    [*]Configure the 3102 - add in your chosen VoIP service provider(s) account details and create a dial-plan so calls use the PSTN (ie iinet) to take advantage of that, and the others when that suits (eg perhaps international calls). Dial plans can be a little complex to understand, but there are plenty of examples out there in particular for the Linksys/Sipura devices.
    [/LIST]

    Cheers
  • huntresslove2010/03/22 14:35:11
    There's $9.95 derlivery charge for the ATA
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 14:35:44
    Oh, and if you are running a small business and wanted a PBX, so were thinking about something like Asterisk (Asterisk | The Open Source Telephony Project) I'd actually also consider something like a SPA9000 - Cisco SPA9000 Voice System - Cisco Systems. As powerful as Asterisk is, there's a lot to be said about an appliance.
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 14:37:27
    huntresslove
    There's $9.95 derlivery charge for the ATA


    Argh! You're right! they must have changed that recently - it was always included. Dang. will update....
  • huntresslove2010/03/22 14:47:47
    where do you find the rates for speical numbers?
    1300 or 1800?
    I got a shock to see how much Tel free number 1223 cost on my voip exetel
    it was like $1.40 or something.
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 15:03:23
    huntresslove
    where do you find the rates for speical numbers?
    1300 or 1800?
    I got a shock to see how much Tel free number 1223 cost on my voip exetel
    it was like $1.40 or something.


    https://www.mynetfone.com.au/Residential/Home-Phone/MyNetFone-VoIP/features/Special-Service

    [LIST]
    [*]1223 numbers - Australian Directory Assistance $0.70 per call (untimed)
    [*]1225 numbers - International Directory Assistance $2.20 per call (untimed)
    [*]13 numbers $0.25 per call (untimed)
    [*]1300 numbers $0.25 per call (untimed)
    [*]1800 numbers Free
    [/LIST]
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 16:15:47
    1223 Calls:
    Optus: $0.50 untimed
    Telstra: Free (residential customers) + fee if you choose to have them connect you to the number

    Why does this cost so much? They have to use real people. Why is it (possibly) cheaper for Telstra customers? Well, it's run by Sensis - the advertising and directories arm of Telstra Corporation, Australia.... go figure.... ;-)
  • ozpete2010/03/22 17:37:06
    ninkasi
    1223 Calls:
    Optus: $0.50 untimed
    Telstra: Free (residential customers) + fee if you choose to have them connect you to the number

    Why does this cost so much? They have to use real people. Why is it (possibly) cheaper for Telstra customers? Well, it's run by Sensis - the advertising and directories arm of Telstra Corporation, Australia.... go figure.... ;-)


    Hey we are on the internet why would I want to use 1223 when I can look it up myself.

    as for the 1300numbers you can save some more money by using

    Non-Geographical Search

    so find out the local number instead of the 1300 number and pay only 10c not 25c

    Or if its a bank etc look for their overseas contact number often on correspondence or your credit/debit card and call that (remeber the +613 or +612 = 03 or 02 etc)
  • Atoxim2010/03/22 17:49:14
    So who's going to come over and set this up at my place???
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 19:18:50
    ozpete
    Hey we are on the internet why would I want to use 1223 when I can look it up myself.


    I know.... my wife still uses it every now and then even though she has the iphone and frankly you get a more accurate & faster search using that.... again, go figure... ;-)
  • ninkasi2010/03/22 19:21:38
    Atoxim
    So who's going to come over and set this up at my place???


    Heh. I'm sure there are people who'll do it for $$, but if you have enough life skills to plug in a normal telephone then you can probably manage to plug in a pre-configured TA.... :D

    Cheers
  • laml2010/03/22 23:53:39
    Thanks soo much ninkasi for your prompt and concise response.
    I might start with the Mitron VoIP adapter the product you recommended in the post to add the 2nd voip provider first.
    And probably consider the
    *unlocked* Linksys 3102 TA
    later down the track.

    Do you know if I a purchase a TA from pennytel is it locked?
    They have the
    Cisco SPA3102 VoIP ATA & Router for $87 - only shows up when log in and click shopping link.

    Cheers
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  • ninkasi2010/03/23 00:47:13
    Not certain - they don't say, so shouldn't be, but might be worth asking first to confirm....
  • stevehl2010/03/24 01:10:48
    Just to show another point of view.

    1) You can buy an ADSL modem such as a Billion which supports both ADSL2, wireless, 4 ports and either 1 or 2 VOIP providers. While you do need to pay for the modem, there is a certain convenience of having one box rather than 2.

    There arent too many 2 line phones about but one which is popular is the Uniden 2 line 5.8GHz model. It supports multiple handsets and has a base station with cordless phones.

    2) the TA (telephone adapter) is usually the cheapest way to go with VOIP. If you are lucky you might be able to pickup a 2nd hand VOIP adapter and get it connected in your name. A number of VOIP companies do permit this.

    Mynetfone offers great deals (including free DID numbers - these are direct dial numbers or normal phone numbers eg 02 9000 123. With Whirlpool you can get a phone number in most cities in Australia or NZ) to Whirlpool.net.au members - that is worth checking out.
  • port2010/03/24 06:03:27
    Given all the other suggestions, I'm surprised the Siemens C470IP cordless hasn't got a mention yet…
  • ninkasi2010/03/24 09:33:02
    port
    Given all the other suggestions, I'm surprised the Siemens C470IP cordless hasn't got a mention yet…


    Definite option, in particular if you need new handsets. Only reason why it wasn't really mentioned until now is probably cost.... best price for a single handset+base station is around the $130 mark ($140 - $20 credit + $10 postage from MNF unlocked) versus $19.95 less credit plus postage for a Mitron TA or $69.95 less credit plus postage for a Linksys 3102 TA and using your existing handset(s)....

    Cheers
  • ninkasi2010/03/28 08:47:54
    For what it's worth, got this month's MNF bill. Fairly typical and did a quick comparison of just mobile calls if I'd used Optus:

    [CODE]min sec mnf optus
    1 34 $0.19 $1.95
    1 50 $0.22 $1.95
    0 41 $0.08 $1.15
    6 32 $0.78 $5.95
    3 28 $0.42 $3.55
    4 4 $0.49 $4.35
    0 50 $0.10 $1.15
    0 47 $0.09 $1.15
    0 2 $0.00 $1.15
    0 42 $0.08 $1.15
    6 18 $0.76 $5.95
    0 38 $0.08 $1.15
    3 38 $0.44 $3.55
    10 48 $1.30 $9.15
    1 3 $0.13 $1.95
    13 28 $1.62 $11.55
    0 51 $0.10 $1.15
    $11.82 $57.95
    [/CODE]

    So, if I'd used Optus for the mobile calls, those 17 calls would have cost around $57.95. By using MNF it cost me $11.82 ($6.87+$4.95) - so an overall saving of $46.13 or well over $500/year. If I get rid of the longest mobile call made this month, it's still over $400/year saving.... and this is not bothering with interstate/international/included calls and SMSs within that $4.95....

    In fact, I'm ahead if I make one mobile call that's longer than 6 minutes. Again, your usage patterns and current call costs will almost certainly be different from mine - but it may be worth checking if you can save using a VoIP service like MNF....

    Cheers
  • helping2010/03/29 22:55:25
    hey ninkasi,

    hope ur still entertaining this thread,

    anyway im very new with voip...most likely im gona join the neo saver plan, credits to you..


    but i got a few questions .. in terms of the cheapest option for voip setup regarding equipments and phones...

    i thought of few options just wanted to know your opinion

    1st option - purchase the "MyNetFone Mitron MV1 VoIP Phone Adaptor"

    that will cost me

    - hardware 29.95 - including delivery

    - VoIP Plan Fee 4.95

    - and i need to get a new phone so a decent cordless phone ~50

    -- all in all about $85


    2nd option - unlocked Linksys SP3102

    - hardware ~ 90

    - VoIP Plan Fee 4.95

    --- all about $ 95



    if the extra $10 will save me the hassle of two phone than i might go for the 2nd option...or does will the cost depend on my modem/router?..


    and secondly i have an adsl+2 with aaNet.. and the modem DSL-G604T. do i need to get a new modem? and can i get voip from net phone if my isp is aaNet?


    thanks in advance
  • ninkasi2010/03/29 23:40:12
    Long term the unlocked SPA3102 will be the most flexible option and the one that I'd personally go for (and what I use) as you can use any VoIP provider and can modify your call plan to suit your personal requirements. Flexible, but also the most complex - defaults generally work but they have a lot of settings that can be "tweaked". A locked device has the advantage in that they are cheaper & fully configured/managed by someone else.

    To try the service out, the Mitron is a good option in particular if you can find a cheap handset (again, just to try the thing out if you're not sure you'll benefit from it), plus it does come with $10 of call credit. Afterwards, it's not a total waste eg if you have/plan to have a fax machine, the Mitron can always be dedicated to that.

    I'd also note you can always go the $0 plan and change to the $4.95 version any time down the track - only difference being call costs being slightly higher (but still way cheaper than the Optus/Telstras of the world) and no DID.

    As for your modem/router/isp - nah. It's pretty much independant of any of that. If possible it's nice to setup QoS on the router so that VoIP has priority. Not critical, but can avoid quality issues if your network is busy downloading files (for example).

    Have fun!
  • helping2010/03/31 12:37:04
    hi again ninkasi,

    about the unlocked SPA3102, is it compatible with all cordless phone?.. and how do i know when im making call its not from my phone provider but from void?..


    thank again

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